I haven't heard of any such tests. Technically, it would be possible, to display 3d-images at 2x30Hz on a monitor, but Nvidia might block this option, as it offers catastrophic ergonomics (your eyes probably won't stand in for more then a couple of minutes) and probably a limited 3d experience when the brain starts to notice, that the eyes don't see slightly different images, but in fact one eyes sees an image and the other sees nothing.
Even if you can set it to 60Hz, if you can't switch the 120Hz-upscaler off, it might ruin the 3d-effect either by mixing/blurring (120Hz-scale usually interpolates every second image from the leading and following one, which is a bad idea, if these are meant for different eyes) and/or lagging (the shutter-glasses need to be in sync with the display, but a scale-up needs time and the following picture, so there should be some lag between in- and output that the 3d-vision software doesn't know of)

Ok so your explanation is clear

now, one question

if I would buy the Nvidia 3D Vision
1) will I have a bad 3D image?
2) or will the software refuse to run?

My question is, even though my hardware is not optimal, has anybody already tried with 120Hz monitors (not 120Hz input monitors), and Nvidia 3D vision?

You have a displayrate of 120Hz, so the display refreshes every 1/120th of a second (or at least it tries. I have yet to see a LCD, that manages an acutally response time below 15ms, let alone below 10ms).
What you probably not have, is an input that can master a signal with 120Hz. The TV uses a normal 60Hz input and scales it up to 120Hz by inserting frames. (after all there have been no sources in the past, that required more. in home entertainment there aren't even one, that can deliver more)
A pity that this won't help with 3D, as obviously every second frame is for the other eye and therefore can't be reconstructed but has to be transmitted.

As for trying Nvidias 3D vision: I have heard (though never seen), that they want(ed?) to demonstrate 'em at big electronic stores. Perhaps they do it in the USA (the definetly don't do it in Kiel, S-H)
The other option are big expos, where there probalbly will be several companies trying to show off (Nvidia themselves, graphic card companies, display companies,... - cebit2009 offered easily half a dozen possibilities from groups of 22" to nvidias 100+" dlp)
I definetly recommend, to test before buying or not buying at all (I will stick to the later one). Alternatively I don't know, wether the new 3D drivers reintroduced support for the good old Elsa revelator (nvidia skipped their long tradition of 3d-drivers with the introduction of 1xx-forceware), but if they do: revelator wasn't half as expensieve as 3d vision even when new, so they should be offered at reasonable prices on eBay (or not at all) and the technology is virtually the same. (the 3d vision googles look a bit more stylish and they shutter the whole glass -revelator only the central part-, thats all)


As of ATI: I haven't heard of any plans and I couldn't remember to ever have heard of an 3d-driver for ATI cards. But on the other hand it's not a very complicated principle, so they might crank it out within a few months or their might be 3rd party solutions once 100+Hz displays become more common.

Well

I am confused

I have this monitor:

Samsung LN32B650 32" LCD HDTV
LCD - 32" Screen - HDTV - With Picture-In-Picture
32" High Definition LCD TV TV tuners: digital (ATSC) & analog (NTSC) over-the-air, QAM cable,120Hz refresh rate for clearer motion,1-tuner picture-in-picture

I like it because it has 32 inch, nice for video games, work, has PIP (so I can watch from DVR while I work) and it has 120 Mhz

However, when I go to Windows, the refresh rate is at 60Hz

it's never at 120Hz, it's always at 60hz

I can go to


Picture -> Picture Options -> Auto Motion Plus 120Hz

and it's set to on, or custom

but not always

usually when there's a video game or something that thing is on

So, do I have 120 Hz or not?

I live in Orange, CA
I would first like to test 3D glasses, and then see if I like them or not

does anybody knows which stores displays these glasses so I can try before I buy?

also, with CES right around the corner, I'm waiting to see if ATI will have some 3D also

One thing is sure, Picture-In-Picture is not common in TVs anymore, specially in 32 inches. So I'm not going to change a monitor to play a video game in 3D every now a then

Most reviews, I have red, called the PhysX-effects not worth the effort.
And Mirror's Edge generally lists as "not worth the money", no matter of PhysX or not.




If your monitor can display 120 different frames per second, then its "3D ready". Mind though, that some manufacturers put a "120Hz" label on a monitor, that e.g. only refreshes 120 times a second, put doesn't accept input-signals with more then 60 Hz. (I could imagine 19200x1200 Displays to show this relation especially often, as single-link DVI has hardly the bandwith to transfer 19200x1200 at 60 Hz.) But this obviously is not Nvidias fault, their 3D approach is still the cheapest (well - the glasses are better made form first class diamond before I call their price "reasonable" ) in existence with the exeption of colored glasses (that interfer with coloured pictures...). For example every single CRT and probably most plasmas (if they offer >120Hz input) in existence should be 3d-worthy.



Nvidia still blocks it. But thats like "EA blocks illegal copying"



I don't know of any remaining battles. Nvidia practically lost the option, to manufacture chipsets for new Intel plattforms (and they seem to have stopped AMD-support anyway), but if you consider, how simple a P55 is (and therefore how cheap and low-profit an alternative from Nvidia would have to be), this isn't just a legal Problem. I wouldn't be surprised, if they are earning now more on SLI-royalities from Intel-motherboardmanufacturers, then they were ever getting from the Intel-nforce.
And afaik ION took forever to arrive, because its to ****ing big and expensieve for most netbook manufacturers and customers need. After all a netbook is all about NOT having a whole lot of power and all about having the cheapest hardware avaluable. The very few upmarket-netbooks are neither about power, but about battery life, and while ION gives a lot of bang-for-Watt, it still consumes roughly the same amount of electricity, then the worst Intel-chipset avaluable.

Nope, ION might be a nice concept for spiced up nettops (and has seen a lot more use there), but its simply above nettops. In subnotebooks on the other hand, gf9400m (which is, after all, exactly the same chip as ION) is all around. (at least since Nvidia uses proper solder)



Ummm - AMD has no money. They rely on ATI to compensate at least a bit of the losses they make with their CPUs.



Before AMD they made the 9x00 series and the x18xx/x19xx-series, direktly afterwards they was HD29xx... Since then they have modified the same design again and again and usually they were very much a draw with nvidia. Lower power consumption was only just a matter of manufacturing, with ATI continously utilizing the newest of the newest, thats Nvidia is afraif of since Geforce FX.
Well: Looking at the avaluability of the HD5-series (and HD47x0 before), ATIs high-risk-strategy also has its drawbacks and might not pay in the long run.

Well, the only thing I can do now is try
with PCI cards
1) Ageia
2) GeForce

I will get it working sooner or later

However I was playing Batman with my ATI Radeon 5850, man the game looks spectacular.

I saw a video once with Physx enabled, and yeah it looked like a few papers were flying here and there, but does somebody has a good experience with that game + Physx?

What about Crysotasticsts (whatever the name is hahaha)
and Mirror's Edge?

are those good games?

If I get this to work I might play Mirrors Edge just for the fun of playing Physx even though I have Radeon

I like Radeon because

[LIST]
[*]temperature: 35c-70c vs 45c-85c Nvidia
[*]Doesn't fries my motherboard or soundcard like Nvidia SLI
[*]cheaper than Nvidia, better bang for the buck
[*]DirectX 11
[*]less noise
[*]more powerful card now
[/LIST]
Right now, the best video cards are done by ATI

Nvidia also makes stupid things like asking you to buy a new monitor to play 3D.
I already have a 120 Hz monitor, but it seems like mine is not '3D ready'

Nvidia also bought Physx and now you have to use workaround if you want to have it, since Nvidia blocks Physx if it detects it's not the main graphic card

So, how come it works to have GeForce as a Physx card and ATI as the main graphic card?

I though Nvidia blocked that previously

Not to mention, Nvidia's future is not that bright
they have legal battles with Intel and the ION for netbooks took forever to arrive (because of the legal battles)

ATI on the other hand has all the money from AMD
that is why these video cards are (and will be) better than Nvidia's

If Nvidia will unite with Intel, those graphic cards will be awesome

This is what's happening with ATI. With the fusion with AMD, now they will really be making good solid products that don't fry my motherboard or my soundcard

It has 3 PCI Express
1 PCI-E x16 ( I don't like SLI and 2 graphic cards that run at 90C each)

I used to have GTX 295 SLI and the soundcard damaged because of the heat
then the mainboard damaged too, maybe because of the heat

plus Radeon 5850 has 1400 stream processors so it is like 2x4870

the other PCI Express are PCI-E x2 (one slot I will use for TV tuner, the other maybe for sound card)

According to the review done by PC Games Hardware, AGEIA is not bad at all

Only the 9800 GTX+ seems more powerful than AGEIA

I don't really know if they used the PCI-E or the PCI version of the card

I can try with AGEIA, and if it doesn't works, try with GeForce
with GeForce I will have to re-enable Physx manually every single time I want to play with Physx

so having another GeForce card is my second option

www.pcgameshardware.de/sc...

It's still physx, yes.
But its also hardware, thats several years old and out of support for months.

And what kind of Mainboard do you use, that does offer only a PCI-E x16 slot and not a single additional PCI-E?
I think, I have never seen such a design outside of a barebone. Even the most incompetent layouters find a place for a small x1.

Well, I don't have PCI Express

the way I see if, if I buy the Physx PCI card, then it should work
it's still physx right?

I won't update the drivers anyway

I have AMBX since june running with legacy drivers, and they work fantastic

I think it should work, but not without a close look at drivers, etc. and problems will probably get worse in the future, as the software for the AgeiaPPU is no longer updated.
Afaik there are now some tweaks, that allow PhysX on a secondary Nvidia GPU aside a ATI main-GPU. Geforce 9400GT PCI and 9500GT PCI-E x1 should be avaluable from Sparkle and Club3d at the same pricelevel (german-retailers request a little bit above 60€ and they are probably much easier to handle in coming years. Processing Power should be equal (if not better) to a PPU.

(and if the need arises, they can also control a display )