Uh ya, apparently troll doesn't carry the same meaning in English as it does in whatever your native language is. Its really not an offensive term, offense is only taken when someone doesn't understand what it means or one is guilty of trolling and doesn't want to admit it. Seeing as you've already admitted to trolling for no reason other than "fun" or "better than arguing with your family" you really shouldn't be taking offense to it.

In English its derived from fishing where large trolls are used to dredge up and catch fish. I guess the technique is similar to "grasping at straws" or "digging up BS" in the hopes of making a valid point.


Does this mean you're going to stop randomly trolling my comments and inserting your oft-ignorant opinions on topics you clearly have no clue about? Hope so, but I doubt it!

PS. I loved your Hexus.net link, it did a great job of proving my points, thanks.

Did you just call me a troll?

lol, what a low life.

I'm not gonna read any of your comments again.

pathetic person.

LMAO, you've already clearly demonstrated you have NO CLUE what you're talking about whatsoever. I'm not dropping the profiling thing, its obvious its 100% pertinent to my point and this thread, as once again, driver and hardware performance relies 100% on driver profiles. I don't see how this is hard to understand lol.

You're cherry-picking scores for particular games that prove your point, but by definition, fall flat on their face when I show compilations and entire reviews that clearly show CF scaling is worst than SLI. There's no other way to explain the fact a single 5870 does NOT maintain its performance lead over GTX 285 once you start adding additional cards in CF/SLI. How is that not hard to understand?


BS its all games, you're once again flat out lying about things you don't know about. I've already given you a compilation that filters results for all games and multiple resolutions that clearly show SLI scales better than CF, I could pull hundreds of reviews that come to the same conclusion as well but you're clearly not worth the effort.

As for Batman and NFS: Shift, lol, they may be consolized games, but the fact remains they scale better on Nvidia hardware because they have proper driver profiles.......




Then why comment igorantly about features you don't care about or have no clue about how they work? Features like this are extremely important to anyone interested in SLI and a big reason I wouldn't go ATI, the reason should be obvious. If Nvidia by chance forgot to flag the proper bits themselves in a driver, I can manually force those bits and force SLI or AA. With AMD, you can't do that nearly as effectively which means users are typically forced to try and rename the .exe or sit there and wait for AMD to fix their drivers. Oh ya, the 9.10 WHQL came out and still no fix for NFS: Shift. You may not care about it, but there's quite a lot of people who are pissed about it.

forums.amd.com/game/messa...


BS, its near 75% for the first card and another 40-50% for the third card for Nvidia, for ATI, well, they finally got their X2 parts to scale a few months ago, a year after release lol.


LMAO wtf......You do realize your own link verifies my point right? Even though the 5870CF scales well, the 285 in SLI scales more efficiently. This DOES NOT MEAN ITS FASTER OVERALL. LMAO.

Even in their conclusion its very clear:

[quote=Hexus.net]The maturity of both CrossFireX and SLI technologies is plain to see. The GeForce GTX 285 in particular shows that in certain scenarios a performance increase of over [COLOR="Red"]90 per cent[/COLOR] can be had when a second GPU is added to the mix.

Uh, I'm clearly explaining the benefits of certain features to those that are clearly ignorant of said benefits. I really don't care if anyone uses a 360 controller or not as long as they don't sit here and try to pretend they know what they're talking about when they clearly and self-admittedly do not. Same for profiles and how they impact Nvidia and ATI hardware. We once again, have the same two trolls sitting here pretending they think they know what they're talking about and then trying to ignore the *fact* hardware performance relies 100% on driver profiles.

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As for the WMP, there's no better way to advertise you're a casual gamer than to mention you're playing mp3s in the background instead of in-game audio.

My buying relies on better performance and price. Will you drop your profiling thing! I'm looking at current results of games, not games nobody knows about. And thats how most ppl make their decision.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm bringing you reviews/scores how well does 5800 scales, and every damn review out there admits its a great product and the best so far.
Best product overall. It scales great. It is, by far, the best single card solution, it is very efficient, and it support all the latest tech.



Its not only Crysis. Its all the games. (except maybe your Batman game and NFS shift, which both are consolized games anyway). Every other "PC" game is faster on 5800 series (much faster) than anything Nvidia offers at that price and scales better.



I don't care about those stuff. I just want to start the game and play.



Yes, Nvidia always had the upper hand with Crysis. But it was never great. The scaling for Crysis was always bad (~30 FPS), even now its not awesome.

What about other games?
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20354&page=5

Oh yeah, 5870 is cheaper, DX11 (and all the goodies that come with it), has 27W on idle, much cooler...

Really, whats your point? should someone really buy 285 SLI instead of 5870 CF? I've been across forums and everyone goes for 5800...




It does seem like that sometimes.

I'm not biased. I buy whats better/cheaper and what suits for me.

But I still rather argue with him than with my relatives

If you ask me ATI took the lead over Nvidia with the 9XXX series, than X800, Then X1XXX, Then Nvidia completely took over with 8XXX, 9XXX. 4XXX and GTX where sort of a tie (and that still thanks to ATI/AMD for forcing Nvidia to cut drastically their prices, which made me buy GTX 260 btw over 4870. and it still the trend that AMD is forcing Nvidia not the other way around, competition is great).
But now clearly 5800 series is the best card out there (and very appealing CF too). We'll see what GT 300 would come up with.

p.s.
This is a mega hijacked thread.

Uh, yes it means a better product if what you are buying relies completely on profiles in order to extract the expected performance out of the hardware. Again, already covered this, and here you are, once again talking about things you clearly have no clue about.

If you only looked at how Crysis scaled you'd only be making an uninformed decision, but that doesn't change the fact Nvidia does a much better job updating profiles to support SLI in games than AMD does with CF. It also doesn't change the fact Nvidia's driver control panel and available 3rd party programs like nHancer are far superior to anything offered for AMD if profiles are not natively supported, as Nvidia drivers often allow you to force compatibility flags. For AMD, if the generic AFR mode doesn't work (like usual) you're stuck with 1) renaming the .exe and hoping it scales or 2) waiting weeks and years for AMD to fix their driver profile for that game.....




Nope, Crysis has always scaled great on Nvidia parts, in fact, that's why 2 and 3 way GTX 285 SLI come so close to 5870 CF and 3-way CF performance, as I've already clearly shown numerous times.





Of course it depends on current deals, but like I said, multi-GPU is often faster and cheaper. 4870CF is cheaper than both 5850 and 5870 and its faster than both too.

It doesn't mean a better product. It means that Nvidia is just faster. Say I want to buy right now multi-gpu and play Crysis or another game, I would just look how it scales right now. I have no idea what game will come up later (it might be bad on CF, but like I said, ATI is getting their act together and release drivers/profiles much faster and much better than used to be).


People are upgrading every 3-5 years, and many games that they haven't played (because of outdated system) they replay. A lot of 'old' games (or online games), they all scale superbly. For them, CF will be great now, 5800 series right now is king. We'll see when Nvidia hits back.




From what i remember, Crysis scaled like ass on both SLI & CF.




Once again, faster yes, cheaper - no. Of course you may find some super duper deal somewhere, i'm talking generally here.



Right. I also think so sometimes when I buy new card. But by the time you want to upgrade and put another card - a new card will be on the market almost as cheap and faster than both your cards. Not always though.
Also you might have incompatible MB (unless you were prepared), or need to buy new PSU, more cooling...

And again, that's a completely myopic viewpoint considering you were the one who injected your incorrect opinion about profiles not equating to a superior product when its very clear profiles are all that matters when it comes to multi-GPU performance.......

Now what if CF didn't scale at all in that one game you actually cared about? You do realize it took almost a year for AMD to fix 4870X2 and CF support in Crysis right? Again, that's why profiles matter and that's why both Nvidia's support and ability to set compatibility flags make SLI's profile implementation far superior to CF.

www.pcper.com/comments.ph...



There were $130-$140 GTX 260 and 4870 a few weeks ago, guess they all went EOL and sold out. Regardless, there's clearly viable multi-GPU solutions that are cheaper and faster than single-GPUs, and while a single-GPU is typically better, the multi-GPU route may be better for someone who already has a single older card.

If you look through all my posts, I never said that conclusively CF is better or SLI is better.

I brought an example like Crysis (and not only that can be brought) becasue this is a game I will buy CF/SLI for. I won't buy for NFS shit.
If you look at all benchamarks and make an average than either you play all of them or just want to have "the best overall" product.
Thats not how i choose whats best. Whats best, is what best for me.



2X 260 = ~330$
5850 = ~260$

Like I said, Multi-GPU is not a one way stream. Its not always appealing, its not always necessary, it doesn't always work and it gives you extra "problems". Also people want new tech yeah? +more support for new products.

And why go for 2 GTX 260 when you can have 2X 4850 for ~240$. (lets not go with benchamrks scores and profiles, these 2 trading blows with GTX 260 edging in some games, not worth another 100$).

LOL.....why is it so hard to get simple concepts through with you? Again, you CANNOT point to a single benchmark at a single resolution and say "HAY LOOK IT SCALES" and come to a conclusion about CF or SLI scaling overall. How many times do I need to say this? If Crysis scales 70% and NFS:Shift scales 0%, what does that bring your average to? Now what if Nvidia has profiles and scaling for both Crysis and NFS: Shift and both scale at 60%? Obviously SLI scaling would be better overall......that's what these compilations tell us. It tells us which solution scales better across multiple games and resolutions and shows SLI outperforms CF, and I've already explained to you why.

As for price, again, right now GTX 260 SLI can be had for cheaper than a 5850 in the US and 4890 CF can be had for cheaper than a 5870 in the US, so I guess it depends on your region, but the deals are out there for sure.